Michael Rupp
Sam Harris has a point, begging for the counter-points...

(Special note, this is a repost from https://nsfw.wnymathguy.com/display/27bb4d82-905e-e83a-53a4-24b331982239 because it somehow was only in the group's feed and not my main page.)

I believe that mentioning # name in mixed company can push # # on almost all people who have heard of him, or heard some of him, and even so for some people who have heard most of him. I think I know why that happens, but it's not why I am writing this. I have heard so much from him directly that I earnestly believe he is always ready to be wrong and change based on new evidence. However, he makes really strong cases for what he thinks, so if you disagree with what he is saying while he is saying it, you get the feeling that you are in a philosophical life or death struggle. I don't anymore because I have heard a sufficient amount of his spoken thoughts. I respect him a lot.

In his recent episode of # "Can We Pull Back From The Brink?" (which seems to be a hot-take), he dispassionately discusses scale & judgment relative to the latest # and # work—in earnest—hoping to find a way to make things better in a rational way. Give it a listen, please, maybe jot down notes so you don't let the good be the enemy of the bad.




What follows below is my reaction to his podcast above.

Regarding his "proximate cause" for the civil & uncivil unrest, I'd like to argue this is more accurate than Sam's claim.
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Regarding his "if you think a society without cops is a society you would want to live in, you have lost your mind" part, I'm feeling a false dichotomy happening there. I'm no fan of # ideals because they like # don't present ideas that I can see as # or ideally doing the most good for the most people, but I agree with them in that what we are doing now isn't convincingly better.

Sam poses a world without cops vs. a world as it is. What about a world with different cops whos publicized mission matches their hidden agendas, and that type of police force is agreeable to the local public in a very democratic and constitutional-rights respecting way with real accountability for their actions?

Sam idealized "giving a # on # to the state" which if things weren't as they really are I could understand, but the reality is from the start we gave a monopoly on violence to a # chosen type of like-minded individuals who's direction came from only the # of #. # and # # are far more like the depiction in A Clockwork Orange than they are in Blue Bloods. Sure, #, but it's supposed to be an ideal, a higher standard, and that is definitely not met.

It's also hard to know if my own # makes me feel the need to post this because Sam can say something in one in a sentence that makes me think of a rebuttal, and in the next sentence he will vindicate my thoughts, although I didn't hear it because of the distraction caused by the first sentence. Sam oddly uses some extreme examples of things that happened like firings from "woke-culture" for non-incidents to make his points—granted they were on the mass media so they have the power to cause # # to be produced from thin air—but later in the podcast, he decided to claim the extremes causing the uprising were too # # to justify the results on the ground. Not cool. Firings of well-to-do people for lousy reasons, bad, the # of black people for lousy reasons, not a significant thing statistically.

Sam, relative to #, reminds me of the dad-type who is harder on his own child than the rest of the world because he cares more about his own kid.

I'm not sure who Sam was listening to in general on the topic linked to # to form his positions, but I think # with # does a far better job covering the concept than Sam did in his #.
What Does It Mean to Defund or Abolish the Police?


Around 37 minutes in Sam starts to talk about the progress we have made with # in the #, and his points are valid, but I feel like the bright picture he presented was a sentence fragment that begged to be completed. A two-term black # (which Sam mentions), with the backlash of a # (which he failed to juxtapose), and all that it has wrought since is not what I would consider a net gain in # #.

Somebody who recently made this point, and is of better of recent notoriety than I, is Kimberly Jones. She eloquently states my position.
How Can We Win?


Sam goes on to justifiably suss out the difference between real and perceived patterns; the plural of anecdotal evidence is not data. A recent episode of Invisibilia agrees with him to some degree about how we can see a pattern where there isn't one because we have become # by # of #.
Trust Fall


He makes a lot of good points to shore up the mental space a # might be stuck with based on what they experienced or were told by their superiors in the routine precinct meetings, but he didn't—to my liking—shore up the reasons why people economically below the middle-class citizen are also stuck in a mental space determining their actions based on their personal experience and that of their community. Change both their environments and cultures, and you'll change their actions. I'll offer a few places to find reasons to see things through the eyes of others if you haven't been out of your suburban cul-de-sac to find it out for yourself.





Later on, around 1:15:10 time mark, Sam starts to do a thing where he sees a statistical anomaly and without a good-enough theory of why there is an anomaly, he assumes things that I perceive as assumptions that are culturally forced on him based on his likely experiences to date.

His statement of, "we're talking about career criminals", to categorize police shootings as justifiable is a tip-off that the data is trusted on its face, and it bothers me that there is no acknowledgment that the path of a person who was cultured into being a "career criminal" could have started with a bogus arrest for marijuana consumption. People who haven't been flushed by the system think merits can save you. I, a white person from the middle-class, had many run-ins with the police where I undeservedly was let off the hook with a warning, and no records of mine were permanently kept in the system.
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Sarah on Her Criminal Past | I Love You, America on Hulu


Also, also, people without stuff may crime to survive, where people with means most likely crime to entertain themselves.

He mentions how Officer to Suspect interactions of the same race are more likely to be #. Like what if a like-race-category on the PD has more to prove to their coworkers when confronting a like-race-category "suspect". Since the incident of how PD's retaliate on anybody that crosses them in a cult-like way, e.g. the dismissal of LAPD's Chris Dorner the recently uncovered Buffalo PD case of Cariol Horne, it is very plausible that race discrimination or tacit racism pervasive in the PD's causes it the way a sidewalk in disrepair causes a bone injury. Did we even check to see if there's a bias in reporting where non-white officers are more likely to report things #? # # would come down hard on non-white employees and be forgiving of white employees.
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He then jumps to a hypothesis that because blacks are more likely to # an # because of real or perceived systematic racism problem, "the only response is for the police to increase their use of force". Damn Sam. That's the only choice they have? Like de-escalation techniques never worked? Like the way patrolling went in the months and years before the incident has nothing to do with how things go down? The cop's only choice was that. Sorry Sam, I reject your null hypothesis.

Maybe black on black violence outside police to non-police interactions wouldn't be so high if there wasn't a clear signal from the system that blacks don't matter to the police, and their bullshit arrests or stops & frisks are randomly distributed to make tally sheets on clipboards look right for municipal reporting. If an innocent black person was shaken down without # # and no tangible #, will they later call the cops when a local criminal act by a black person is being committed? If you are a skilled black criminal, will you cut in some of the local police on the action you are running? Any cop that doesn't give a fuck about black people would give a fuck more about a black person helping his kid get through college with side money. In the # Podcast linked above the Chicago PD's local precinct office couldn't find Courtney Copeland's killer with the evidence handed to them on a silver platter, I—personally—can only assume the cops are the mob.

Somewhere around 1:30:00, we hit a concept of what kind of people would want to be cops in such a # # #. "Who's gonna want to be a cop now?" Ugh! This smacks of, the only people that care about privacy are people doing something wrong, I ain't got nothing to hide. He further postulates that only prison guard type people will want to be cops. #. Maybe if good people didn't think they were going to be gang-land retaliated against for doing the # # thing, they might take a chance on being a cop. If whistle-blowers didn't know by past examples that it would end all their # # in one fell swoop, there might be more people doing good things for the world. Where's Reality Winner now? Our # # propagated by those in power is #, and to extend the metaphor, many of us still think # is good for their health. I would definitely want to go for it and become a cop if I didn't personally have reasons to see the PD's near me as corrupt from first and credible second-hand experiences.

Near the end, about 1:34:00, he's claiming the videos are warping our perception of the problem. I think he is putting the wrong weight on the value of loss and cascading ill-effects one police act of murder of a minority has on our country. We are supposed to be founded on all people are created equal, innocent until proven guilty, and so on.
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Bear in mind, if I didn't mention something Sam said in his #, it's about a 99% chance I agreed with him.


Michael Rupp
This adds on nicely to the "rant" above. Mike Pesca, in the first 5 minutes (the only part I care about for this context), outlines how holding for one variable in statistics tells a whole different story than the one Sam was rationally presenting.

Give Up That Racist Tradition


Michael Rupp
Yep, the Police can be very brutal in the USA 🇺🇸
More people than nobody do need to see it to believe it—# or it didn't happen. 🙄

# is # and #. When I'm in a more doubtful mood I think of it as a confluence of random events and human nature—Stanford Prison Experiment—that get us to a point that we're at right now, but when I'm more confident I see it as a # # part of the # of # by the # # like # Bros. designed specifically to keep the people in powerin power.

No matter what the driving force is behind our # and # #, it exists.

Seeing-as-how a couple days ago a down-to-Earth but established star like Anna Kendrick has started # about it, maybe you can pass it on to your # type relatives before # starts slandering her as an # # #, or the # / # types try to murder her.

I mean. They couldn’t stop themselves from blatantly escalating things. Even for a few days, even cynically, even for the optics.


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Tessa Byrd
There are always folks who deny, justify, and excuse brutality though. Pictures and video recordings have traditionally been ignored. I say traditionally because law enforcement has been murdering unarmed cooperating Black men & women for AT LEAST a decade...
Digit
oh it's enough to laugh/cry. that understatement. at least a decade. yeah. just a bit. 🙁
Michael Rupp
𝄕𝄞𝄚 𝅘𝅥 . You don't know me! 𝄚𝄀𝄚 I'm the O. P.D.! 𝅘𝅥𝅯 . 𝄚𝄂
Most people take law enforcement for granted, and by that I mean it's assumed to have always been that way and that it's acceptable. It's well documented how the # formed it's # forces in order to maintain the # institution of # (see also: Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 & of 1850, Encyclopædia Britannica, TIME Magazine and Eastern Kentucky University for starters), but most of us are blissfully unaware of the darker driving truths.

A tidbit that comes out early in this week's # # called #, is that the # # (Bobbies) has a dark past as well.

The culture that forms an entity lingers on long after the people and reasons for forming an institution have died. It takes a lot of energy over generations to clean that garbage legacy culture out of an organization when everybody is willing to remove it. Collectively # are not ready willing or able to remove our sins of # and # the # from policing because a minority of "us" (the wealthy) want it that way, and they can afford to produce a steady stream of propaganda convincing the majority of people beyond their interests into defending indefensible actions that come out of those institutions.

A stark truth that I personally see is that # internally and # # externally are de facto the same thing for the same reasons put into motion by the same people for the same reasons. We have not yet really left #, our # is as big an # as a #.


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Michael Rupp
A nagging thought I have about a trivial but very important matter
#Conversations and the #Attractiveness of the person you want to converse with have an awkward social legacy.

Regardless of what is about to follow, I am not saying that #Men have it easy while I'm simultaneously explicitly explaining why I think #Women have it difficult. This is a very #nuanced topic and I want to concentrate on what I see as #problems women have in #society that seem to definitely restrict their free will as no fault of their own.

Theirs a person I know #IRL and she has a very #attractive look about her, a #voluptuous body, #happy playful demeanor, big hair, a #pretty face, and still very #youthful. If it's not obvious, I'm an older dude way past my prime and not anything special to be around. I think the #sex roles could be reversed and most of this would still make sense with different intensities and risks/rewards. I personally know her in a very casual sense because of being in the same social circles. One of them is an annual #Halloween party open to the public. She would often show up in a common #Police #Costume or equivalent. At first glance, one might scoff at the use of #seductive looks to gain attention. Then I saw the kind of attention she got and it wasn't what she wanted or what she needed. Sure she looked good, but I couldn't help think #society kind of took away her #freedom of #choice. Her situation was as a young #SingleMother #struggling to provide for her #kids. The "loose-ends" of society rushed to her at the event trying to have what they saw, like they were looking at a commodity they could buy instead of a person desperately doing what they had to, to try for a better life. The most recent year changed how I saw her. She didn't change costumes, but she did bring her #retarded and partially #disabled uncle to the #party. The inner beauty that a person has to do that type of thing is wonderful! For the first time, she got a #smile from me instead of a #PokerFace. Her smile back seemed to #telepathically say back, "Thanks for seeing me."

She and I have never actually spoken to each other. I see her in other places and we have the occasional glance at each other that conveys, I know you are a good person. I'm pretty sure I can't talk to her because the #society around us would see a #pretty young person and a #married old guy talking and think shitty thoughts. That's something society is doing very wrong. I understand why though. Theirs a lot of people with #clandestine intentions driven by their innate desire to #procreate, and normally people are in #DumbMode when that switch is turned on. It makes me sad though that wholesome conversation can't be had between people because of what assuming people will think and later say in private to others for their own erroneous #SelfRighteous #excitement.

The same predicament holds if she was not what most of society deems as #attractive. I believe any combination could have an awful assumption put onto the scenario. Ugly girls put out and that's why he's talking to her. A young guy? He must be a child molester. An old person? He's probably trying to rob them. Poor people? He's buying drugs. Rich people? Sell out! Power to the people! Co-worker? #Sexual #harassment. (I know that's wrong because it's supposed to have a power dynamic first.) Manager to a subordinate? Definitely #Sexual#arassment.

It's been quite a number of decades that the nightly news has reinforced that the #appearance of #impropriety is enough to #convict in the court of #public #opinion. This also forces-out the ability to deliver #compassion and #understanding to a #stranger. One time I heard a guy talking about the way the #CIA or some #Law #Enforcement organization will #invade #privacy enough to get a #conviction, but if they invaded it even more, the #understanding that would come out would #exonerate them. #Voyeuristic people that see something now and report their #erroneous #assumptions to their friends later are not invading privacy enough. Partly the way our society works they have little #free #will either in their subsequent actions. They are dealing with decisions under risk. Revealing that they suspect something would cause a #fictitious #alibi to be formed if they were right, so they can't invade the privacy further. The 'better safe than sorry' rule forces them to #report the potential #transgression. Because that move would be assumed by anybody with more wisdom than a person in a sheltered existence, it takes away the #FreeWill of the person who might have acted in a way that showed an appearance of impropriety. Therein we have a classic "Mexican-Standoff". (I'm not sure why it's Mexican.) That's something society is doing very wrong.

I want to go back to the microcosm of good old whats-her-name, the attractive girl at the start of this long #MicroBlog. This failure of life outlined by game theory affects her more than me. She can't just start a conversation with any guy at random, because it's highly likely they will either think they are so #amazing that this #HotChick is coming to them, or they are so #damaged #emotionally from their past experiences that they assume something really bad is going to happen soon because their's no way an attractive person wants to have a #normal #conversation with them. Sure that's a false dichotomy, but I was talking about the most likely possibilities instead of the only #possibilities. Chances are close to zero that she can just have a person-to-person #wholesome #conversation with somebody at random and they don't think something untrue about why it's happening. That sounds fucking lonely. I'm guessing society, in general, thinks the attractive's have an easy life (because less than 1% of then are the only people that get to be in the media or a performer on stage or screen...). Sure maybe some things in life are easier. Like maybe it's easier to get free drinks at a bar, but isn't that like it being easier for a fish to get a free worm on a hook? Those drinks aren't charity, they are a hedge to bet they will obtain something they want in the future. That's something society is doing very wrong.

Too many people (men & women) in my #opinion think women have it easy. I didn't just say men have it easy! What I did imply was that it's #complicated and trouble is #trouble even if it's in a different form. Both #men & #women have their own unique #injustices they have to #suffer through. I'm #focusing on #women's #problems right now so #MRA #dudes and #dudettes can back the hell off; I've tasted your #RedPill so don't try making an #enemy of me here. Here's a recent #Podcast I heard which laid out the case for how women were #objectively #discriminated against since we were able to transmit sound electronically.

We built #electronics that #worked #wrong to the #benefit of men's #voices and acted like their's nothing we could have done about it. That's something society is doing very wrong.

If you haven't read the Tina Fey book titled Bossypants, you are missing out. Although I didn't read it, I listened to it for free using my Libby app connected to my public library. Tina reads it and unlike a lot of people who #voice their own #books, her inflection, timing, emphasis and so on is impeccable. Their's so much laugh-out-loud content that I don't know who wouldn't like it. I'm going to quote a few excerpts from it that are pertinent to this #MacroBlog entry.

Body Image

“But I think the first real change in women’s body image came when JLo turned it butt-style. That was the first time that having a large-scale situation in the back was part of mainstream American beauty. Girls wanted butts now. Men were free to admit that they had always enjoyed them. And then, what felt like moments later, boom—Beyoncé brought the leg meat. A back porch and thick muscular legs were now widely admired. And from that day forward, women embraced their diversity and realized that all shapes and sizes are beautiful. Ah ha ha. No. I’m totally messing with you. All Beyonce and JLo have done is add to the laundry list of attributes women must have to qualify as beautiful. Now every girl is expected to have Caucasian blue eyes, full Spanish lips, a classic button nose, hairless Asian skin with a California tan, a Jamaican dance hall ass, long Swedish legs, small Japanese feet, the abs of a lesbian gym owner, the hips of a nine-year-old boy, the arms of Michelle Obama, and doll tits. The person closest to actually achieving this look is Kim Kardashian, who, as we know, was made by Russian scientists to sabotage our athletes.”
― Tina Fey, Bossypants

Women's Defects

This was how I found out that there are an infinite number of things that can be ‘incorrect’ on a woman’s body.
― Tina Fey, Bossypants

After which she starts listing common things that in our society are like water to the fish; eyebrows too thick, eyebrows too thin, eyebrows too round, eyebrows too angular... The list seemed infinite and she barely left the upper part of the head. #WTF!!!

It's what you don't have...

Now if you’re not "hot," you are expected to work on it until you are. It’s like when you renovate a house and you’re legally required to leave just one of the original walls standing. If you don’t have a good body, you’d better starve the body you have down to a neutral shape, then bolt on some breast implants, replace your teeth, dye your skin orange, inject your lips, sew on some hair and call yourself the Playmate of the Year.
― Tina Fey, Bossypants

That's something society is doing very wrong.



I think as a world of humans we need to collectively start taking back our #FreeWill and taking chances, and instead of avoiding things with a potential upside, we go in ready to shut-down the beginnings of a potential downside. Too much of our #Culture is dictated by what #Artists & #Writers produce as their work and they produce that because that's what we are doing in society. That's not #creativity, that's a #feedback #loop! We're going to blow our amplifier! The #creative people in this world need to stop serving up #commercial #garbage and begin writing things that #struggle with finding acts of free-will, and objectively #ethical good acts.
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Tedel
Too much of our #Culture is dictated by what #Artists & #Writers
By advertisers and media, I would say. Moreover, you say it yourself too:
The #creative people in this world need to stop serving up #commercial #garbage and begin writing things that #struggle with finding acts of free-will, and objectively #ethical good acts.

That’s not #creativity, that’s a #feedback #loop!
I concur, but I beg you not to blame artists. Let's point the finger to who are really responsible for this.
Michael Rupp
You should elaborate on this:
Let's point the finger to who are really responsible for this.
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