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Don't forget to celebrate by revealing your disbelief with somebody.

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Michael Rupp to Atheists in the open via wall-to-wall:
Sam Harris has a point, begging for the counter-points...
I believe that mentioning #SamHarris's name in mixed company can push #emotional #buttons on almost all people who have heard of him, or heard some of him, and even so for some people who have heard most of him. I think I know why that happens, but it's not why I am writing this. I have heard so much from him directly that I earnestly believe he is always ready to be wrong and change based on new evidence. However, he makes really strong cases for what he thinks, so if you disagree with what he is saying while he is saying it, you get the feeling that you are in a philosophical life or death struggle. I don't anymore because I have heard a sufficient amount of his spoken thoughts. I respect him a lot.

In his recent episode of #MakingSense "Can We Pull Back From The Brink?" (which seems to be a hot-take), he dispassionately discusses scale & judgment relative to the latest #uprisings and #police work—in earnest—hoping to find a way to make things better in a rational way. Give it a listen, please, maybe jot down notes so you don't let the good be the enemy of the bad.


What follows below is my reaction to his podcast above.

Regarding his "proximate cause" for the civil & uncivil unrest, I'd like to argue this is more accurate than Sam's claim.
#GeorgeFloyd, #Minneapolis #Protests, #AhmaudArbery & #AmyCooper | The Daily Social Distancing Show


Regarding his "if you think a society without cops is a society you would want to live in, you have lost your mind" part, I'm feeling a false dichotomy happening there. I'm no fan of #Anarchists ideals because they like #Libertarians don't present ideas that I can see as #sustainable or ideally doing the most good for the most people, but I agree with them in that what we are doing now isn't convincingly better.

Sam poses a world without cops vs. a world as it is. What about a world with different cops whos publicized mission matches their hidden agendas, and that type of police force is agreeable to the local public in a very democratic and constitutional-rights respecting way with real accountability for their actions?

Sam idealized "giving a #monopoly on #violence to the state" which if things weren't as they really are I could understand, but the reality is from the start we gave a monopoly on violence to a #mindfully chosen type of like-minded individuals who's direction came from only the #wealthy of #society. #Policemen and #prison #guards are far more like the depiction in A Clockwork Orange than they are in Blue Bloods. Sure, #NotAllCops, but it's supposed to be an ideal, a higher standard, and that is definitely not met.

It's also hard to know if my own #bias makes me feel the need to post this because Sam can say something in one in a sentence that makes me think of a rebuttal, and in the next sentence he will vindicate my thoughts, although I didn't hear it because of the distraction caused by the first sentence. Sam oddly uses some extreme examples of things that happened like firings from "woke-culture" for non-incidents to make his points—granted they were on the mass media so they have the power to cause #conventional #wisdom to be produced from thin air—but later in the podcast, he decided to claim the extremes causing the uprising were too #statistically #insignificant to justify the results on the ground. Not cool. Firings of well-to-do people for lousy reasons, bad, the #murder of black people for lousy reasons, not a significant thing statistically.

Sam, relative to #Democrats, reminds me of the dad-type who is harder on his own child than the rest of the world because he cares more about his own kid.

I'm not sure who Sam was listening to in general on the topic linked to #DefundThePolice to form his positions, but I think #TheDailyShow with #TrevorNoah does a far better job covering the concept than Sam did in his #podcast.
What Does It Mean to Defund or Abolish the Police?


Around 37 minutes in Sam starts to talk about the progress we have made with #RaceRelations in the #USA, and his points are valid, but I feel like the bright picture he presented was a sentence fragment that begged to be completed. A two-term black #POTUS (which Sam mentions), with the backlash of a #Trump (which he failed to juxtapose), and all that it has wrought since is not what I would consider a net gain in #Race #Relations.

Somebody who recently made this point, and is of better of recent notoriety than I, is Kimberly Jones. She eloquently states my position.
How Can We Win?


Sam goes on to justifiably suss out the difference between real and perceived patterns; the plural of anecdotal evidence is not data. A recent episode of Invisibilia agrees with him to some degree about how we can see a pattern where there isn't one because we have become #embattled by #acts of #aggression.
Trust Fall


He makes a lot of good points to shore up the mental space a #Cop might be stuck with based on what they experienced or were told by their superiors in the routine precinct meetings, but he didn't—to my liking—shore up the reasons why people economically below the middle-class citizen are also stuck in a mental space determining their actions based on their personal experience and that of their community. Change both their environments and cultures, and you'll change their actions. I'll offer a few places to find reasons to see things through the eyes of others if you haven't been out of your suburban cul-de-sac to find it out for yourself.





Later on, around 1:15:10 time mark, Sam starts to do a thing where he sees a statistical anomaly and without a good-enough theory of why there is an anomaly, he assumes things that I perceive as assumptions that are culturally forced on him based on his likely experiences to date.

His statement of, "we're talking about career criminals", to categorize police shootings as justifiable is a tip-off that the data is trusted on its face, and it bothers me that there is no acknowledgment that the path of a person who was cultured into being a "career criminal" could have started with a bogus arrest for marijuana consumption. People who haven't been flushed by the system think merits can save you. I, a white person from the middle-class, had many run-ins with the police where I undeservedly was let off the hook with a warning, and no records of mine were permanently kept in the system.
America Loves to Jail | I Love You, America on Hulu

Sarah on Her Criminal Past | I Love You, America on Hulu


Also, also, people without stuff may crime to survive, where people with means most likely crime to entertain themselves.

He mentions how Officer to Suspect interactions of the same race are more likely to be #violent. Like what if a like-race-category on the PD has more to prove to their coworkers when confronting a like-race-category "suspect". Since the incident of how PD's retaliate on anybody that crosses them in a cult-like way, e.g. the dismissal of LAPD's Chris Dorner the recently uncovered Buffalo PD case of Cariol Horne, it is very plausible that race discrimination or tacit racism pervasive in the PD's causes it the way a sidewalk in disrepair causes a bone injury. Did we even check to see if there's a bias in reporting where non-white officers are more likely to report things #truthfully? #Institutional #racism would come down hard on non-white employees and be forgiving of white employees.
8:46 - Dave Chappelle


He then jumps to a hypothesis that because blacks are more likely to #resist an #arrest because of real or perceived systematic racism problem, "the only response is for the police to increase their use of force". Damn Sam. That's the only choice they have? Like de-escalation techniques never worked? Like the way patrolling went in the months and years before the incident has nothing to do with how things go down? The cop's only choice was that. Sorry Sam, I reject your null hypothesis.

Maybe black on black violence outside police to non-police interactions wouldn't be so high if there wasn't a clear signal from the system that blacks don't matter to the police, and their bullshit arrests or stops & frisks are randomly distributed to make tally sheets on clipboards look right for municipal reporting. If an innocent black person was shaken down without #probable #cause and no tangible #justification, will they later call the cops when a local criminal act by a black person is being committed? If you are a skilled black criminal, will you cut in some of the local police on the action you are running? Any cop that don't give a fuck about black people would give a fuck more about a black person helping his kid get through college with side money. In the #Somebody Podcast linked above the Chicago PD's local precinct office couldn't find Courtney Copeland's killer with the evidence handed to them on a silver platter, I—personally—can only assume the cops are the mob.

Somewhere around 1:30:00 we hit a concept of what kind of people would want to be cops in such a #hostile #work #environment. "Who's gonna want to be a cop now?" Ugh! This smacks of, the only people that care about privacy are people doing something wrong, I ain't got nothing to hide. He further postulates that only prison guard type people will want to be cops. #WTF. Maybe if good people didn't think they were going to be gang-land retaliated against for doing the #morally #altruistic thing, they might take a chance on being a cop. If whistle-blowers didn't know by past examples that it would end all their #future #careers in one fell swoop, there might be more people doing good things for the world. Where's Reality Winner now? Our #dominating #culture propagated by those in power is #cancerous, and to extend the metaphor, many of us still think #smoking is good for their health. I would definitely want to go for it and become a cop if I didn't personally have reasons to see the PD's near me as corrupt from first and credible second-hand experiences.

Near the end, about 1:34:00, he's claiming the videos are warping our perception of the problem. I think in that he is putting the wrong weight on the value of loss and cascading ill-effects one police act of murder of a minority has on our country. We are supposed to be founded on all people are created equal, innocent until proven guilty, and so on.
What the Hell Happened This Week? | The Daily Social Distancing Show


Bear in mind, if I didn't mention something Sam said in his #podcast, it's about a 99% chance I agreed with him.

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This adds on nicely to the "rant" above. Mike Pesca, in the first 5 minutes (the only part I care about for this context), outlines how holding for one variable in statistics tells a whole different story than the one Sam was rationally presenting.

Give Up That Racist Tradition

Michael Rupp to Atheists in the open via wall-to-wall:
Corona Virus to Clergy to COVID-19 hot-spots
Well, this isn't really a stunner ... to people who are more #scientifically schooled.

#Churches become willfully ignorant wholesale vectors of the #COVID-19 #Pandemic.
Authoritatively, #Traditions #Trump #Wisdom and all too early many #people #die.



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Michael Rupp to Fantasy Sports Discussion via wall-to-wall:
Fantasy, Fantasy Sports?
Tagging in !Fantasy Sports Discussion cause, duh...

I'm just riffing crazy thoughts here, not really seeking, but is anybody building #FantasySports based on performances inside #VideoGames like that #MaddenNFL? I'm joking, but it's a big world. Somebody has t be doing it somewhere. Like, look at this craziness on #Farcebook...
Michael Rupp to Atheists in the open via wall-to-wall:
infantilisation | a regressive abuse
Something for @Atheists in the open

There's a great new post by TheraminTrees that overlaps a lot of problems which #Religion causes in the world in a very subtle manner, almost negligently insidious in nature. I hope people find this liberating or at the least entertaining.

Michael Rupp to Atheists in the open via wall-to-wall:
Can Christianity Save Western Civilization?
(Betteridge's law of headlines applies to the subject posed above)

For some #Atheists the content covered by DarkMatter2525 is old-hat; hashtag :yawn. The video at the bottom is his, the video on the top was what made him want to do it.

Rediscovering Faith: My Journey Back To Christianity


Can Christianity Save Western Civilization?



Time travel Jump-links to specific concepts:

Note: if you pass through from here to the YouTUBE site, his expanded video description section has all the documentation backing up what he says in this one.

If you want the long-form version of his response video where he plays the content of the top video above as he responds to it, he did post it; Christian Nationalism is a Bad Idea
!Atheists in the open #Christian #Nationalism
Michael Rupp to Atheists in the open via wall-to-wall:
commanded to love | performing false emotions for tyrants
TheraminTrees has just put together another masterpiece. Aunt Julia is an awesome moment about 12 minutes in.
Spoiler Alert:
Click to open/closeCards to Aunt Julia that the child never met are a metaphor of Prayers to God.

This episode deals with #Narcissism and I wrongly assumed he was going to talk about #Trump. He didn't go there. I was pleasantly surprised to find out he was "giving away the game" that #Narcissists play on the rest of us and how to block and/or avoid those #psychological bad-trips.


#Religion #Atheism #Mindgames
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Michael Rupp to Fantasy Sports Discussion via wall-to-wall:
Fantasy Football, Ranking, Playoff Seeding and The American Electorial College
So how do I link the #ElectoralCollege to !Fantasy Sports Discussion?

Well, I was realizing this season how put-off I was by the way things were working out. Despite my revulsion towards Hillary Clinton (though not for the reasons you may think, and more for Bill), I couldn't help think, "so this is how she felt." Mind you when reading this, I'm the Commissioner and I set all the rules for how the season would be measured.

  • I had the best draft of my life, A+ rating and most likely to win all games before the season started.
  • I've been consistently scoring the highest or nearly the highest number of points each week of the season.
  • As each new week starts the statistics have me easily predicted as the winner for the week by about a 10% point margin at the least.
  • My accumulated "points-for" has been consistently higher all season than all other teams for every week.
  • Only one game this season could I blame my own actions for a loss, and that was because I didn't get to fill the empty slot after a player trade went through before game day.


My record right now is 6-6-0! I'm barely making the playoffs! I'm only "inches" ahead of the second-place team in my division!

  • I have players that randomly underperform each week.
  • My opponents have been consistently scoring the highest or nearly the highest number of points for the game they play me all season long.
  • As each new week happens the opponent's players perform better than expected.
  • My accumulated "points-against" have been consistently higher all season than all other teams for every week.
  • I routinely have players in the lineup become injured immediately after the game starts or players marked as doubtful on the bench who have a great day and their points don't count for me.


It's the win ratio that teams are ranked on; (Wins + (Ties / 2)) / Games. That formula ignores the total points scored. It's like the way the electoral college ignores the total number of votes and just counts each district as a win or a loss. I'm aware of my own cognitive dissonance here. I know I'm unhappy with the way the scoring is being done because I'm losing despite all the statistics saying I should be winning right now!!! And that's why I think I know how #HillaryClinton felt, but just a little bit. I'm not going to get #PTSD from this season.

If I were to change it next year to total points, I might then have an undefeated record and have fewer points than most teams putting me in the same pickle.

There's a big difference between the fairness of each; the Win Ratio and the Electoral College. Remember above in the bulleted list where I admitted one of the losses was clearly my fault because I didn't put a player in the lineup who was on the bench? That is (at its best) not entirely in the control of the candidates competing in the Electoral College. In #FantasyFootball a manager controls all aspects of their team and it is competition in the most egalitarian way possible; most of the results of what happens to your plans is just good and bad luck, not treachery. We will get to treachery later, but first I want to show why the idealized Electoral College is valid.

If you don't know much about how the Electoral College works, you need to know at a minimum that districts are formed by trying to have equally populated groupings across the land. Each district is like a team in fantasy football with a set of players that can be put into the game and depending on performance players can add points to the team they signed up to or the other team (fumbles, interceptions, missed tackles, etc). Now suppose America had 2 districts. One district is typically points for team Blue and it's a city, and the other is typically for team Red and its all farmland.
  • Team Blue won in the city by 2 million votes and 30 million voters showed up out of 40 million voters.
  • Team Red won on the farmland by 1 vote and 1 voter showed up out of 40 million voters.

We can say were fairly certain that in the city we have some solid evidence that if all 40 million voted, Blue would be the victor. It's only ludicrously plausible that if all the 40 million farmland voters showed up it would still be a Red team victory (let alone a 100% victory of 40 million votes), but that's all the evidence we have, so in the end, it's a tie election where one vote had the same weight as 16 million. It would be negligent to tell the 39.999999 million voters they don't matter just because they didn't show up on game-day and assume they wanted team Blue to win.

I have had people complain that in the Electoral College it's winner-take-all in most states, but that's just a second level of smoothing where a super-district is formed based on individual districts, and that's comparable to the overall goal. Math note here, it has been proven that an average of sample averages tends towards the true mean of a population, the winner-take-all is an average of sample averages. The reason to stop aggregation at a State level is because we are the United States, not a United State.

Personally I would rather have it be a popular vote if voting was mandatory (side-note to follow), barring that option I would not want winner-take-all for any state. I don't want to force people to vote if they don't like any candidate so my ideal voting ballot would only allow one up-vote for a candidate (or rank choice voting) in a position, but it would allow down-votes for all the other candidates (or even down for all!), and that way we could see how weak of a mandate the elected official has when taking their position of power.

The real trouble with the Electoral College is how to draw the lines that form the equal population groups. #Gerrymandering is a mindful method of cheating one majority group out of their voice in politics for the benefit of another group with less voting power. Because their's no truly egalitarian way to draw the lines objectively serving all people equally, the #SCOTUS just tossed up their hands and said figure it out for yourselves, so we do hellscape instead of heading towards justice.

There's also trouble with the players sitting on the bench in the Electoral College. In the Fantasy Football metaphor, it would be as if all the other managers had ways of making your players decide to not play on game day. #VoterSupression can be as small as telling your opponents voters the wrong voting day, or moving their voting booth farther away, or not staying open when they can show up to vote, or having people in red hats exercise their open-carry rights near the polling doorways, or misplacing their mail-in ballots, or as wholesale as hacking a voting machine's computer to flip the tally when it's close to a given side which was losing.

The problems we have with fair and open elections are numerous in the #UnitedStates but I don't believe the #Electoral #College is one of them.
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!Atheists in the open Not sure why, but this forum isn't listed anymore on the public directory.
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That's Holy Koolaid's art style, right?
https://holykoolaid.com/
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This TheraminTrees doesn't make a single bad video.



#Religion #Tribalism
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